RAW DOGMA                                                                       written by Nkrumah Steward

dubya is against torture and also against outlawing it?

What kind of sense does this make? Bush lobbies against a congressional move to outlaw torture while at the same time emphatically insisting that the US does not torture terrorist suspects.
Then what is the problem with outlawing it? Sounds like we are on the same page?
... "The administration’s position is that existing law already prohibits the mistreatment of prisoners in American custody and the amendment would restrict Dubya's power as commander-in-chief."
Would he also be against adults having sex with children while at the same time lobby against any legislation making sex with children illegal?
Dubya quickly brought up the obvious, “the US government has the obligation to protect US citizens.”
No shit.
So is he saying that in order to protect US citizens we need to torture people?
"Girding for a potential fight with the Bush administration, supporters of a ban on torturing prisoners of war by U.S. interrogators threatened Friday to include the prohibition in nearly every bill the Senate considers until it becomes law." ... The prisoners "can, apparently, be treated inhumanely," McCain said. "This means that America is the only country in the world that asserts a legal right to engage in cruel and inhumane treatment."
Dubya also wants exemption for the CIA, which is curious considering we know now that the CIA maintains a network of prisons in Eastern Europe and Asia, where it holds terrorist suspects.
So Dubya says that we don’t torture, he is against it, he is against outlawing the practice but if he concedes that the bill will pass he wants Congress to give the CIA an exemption from the law.
And Dubya wonders why he has a credibility issue with the American people.
I don’t know why he suddenly does now and he hasn’t the entire time he has been in office but I will take what little enlightenment I can get from the American public anyway I can get it.
To quote my new favorite movie Batman Begins,
Morgan Freeman: Mr. Wayne, if you don't want to tell me exactly what you're doing...when I'm asked, I don't have to lie. But don't think of me as an idiot.
Bruce Wayne: Fair enough.
See, I don’t have a problem with torture as much as I have a problem with torturing people behind closed doors acting like we have a problem with torture.
Does that make any sense? In this case I am a utilitarian. If saving 3,000 human lives means shoving a few matchsticks underneath Muhammad’s fingernails and lighting them on fire then so be it.
This isn’t the time and place to argue about the principle of not tortuing people.
In reality, it was a stupid thing to be against in the first place when you think about it.
We would rather not solve a crime than to put knuckles on someone?
We never should’ve made it such a contrasting issue in the first place between us and the Communist.
I think what makes torture bad is why you are doing it.
To silence people critical of your agenda or your administration, bad idea.
To get information to save lives that are in danger because of some sick twisted plot you have concocted to bring about the end of all times.
Go right ahead.
I will turn the heat up on the cooking oil myself.


Source: Bush Declares: 'We Do Not Torture', Associated Press, November 7, 2005
same difference

Bush Dismisses Criticism In Amnesty Report As Absurd
I guess Dubya’s word is good enough for at least 51% of you at last count.
His word isn’t good enough for me.

patriot act being used against common criminals. surprise surprise.
Since the passing of the Patriot Act now a pipe bomb is legally considered a "weapon of mass destruction". Methamphetamine and crack cocaine are now 'chemical weapons'. Apparently that's what we went to Iraq looking for pipe bombs and crack pipes.